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By: pwl

pwl — Fri, 05 Mar 2010 01:19:21 +0000

One would hope that other climate scientists would be interested in the Saturated Greenhouse Effect to test it further.

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pwl — Fri, 05 Mar 2010 01:17:24 +0000

Eric Sander I recommend that you contact the two scientists involved with the Saturated Greenhouse Effect Theory and send them your computations. That would be Ferenc Miskolczi or Miklos Zagoni.

By: Eric Sander

Eric Sander — Thu, 04 Mar 2010 00:48:01 +0000

Gentleman,
I believe the following derivation will be useful to you.
The following derivation will show that:
If we let τA = 1.841, then Su ≈ 1.968 Eu, Su = 3 OLR/2, Su – OLR + ED – EU = OLR
and Su – (Fo + Po) = R
If we let Su = 2 Eu , Then τA ≈ 2.06 and dead end
Assumptions:
Su = C Eu, where C is a constant
and also
ST + Eu = OLR,
Su = ST + AA, and
AA = A ST
1 – AA = TA
TA = exp(-τA)
(1 – r)-1 = 1 + r + r2 + r3 + … + rn + … an infinite series
f = 2/(1 + τA + exp(-τA)) This is Equation B11 from Miskolczi 2007
Begin:
Su = (C/(C+1)) Su + (1/(C+1)) Su
= (C/(C+1)) Su + (C/(C+1)) EU Because: Su = C Eu
= (C/(C+1)) ST + (C/(C+1)) EU + (C/(C+1)) AA Because: Su = ST + AA
= (C/(C+1)) OLR + (C/(C+1)) A SU Because: ST + Eu = OLR and AA = A ST
= (C/(C+1)) OLR + (C/(C+1)) A ((C/(C+1)) OLR + (C/(C+1)) A SU)
= (C/(C+1)) OLR + (C/(C+1))2 A OLR + C/(C+1))2 A2 SU
= (C/(C+1)) OLR + (C/(C+1))2 A OLR + C/(C+1))2 A2 ((C/(C+1)) OLR + (C/(C+1)) A SU)
= (C/(C+1)) OLR + (C/(C+1))2 A OLR + (C/(C+1))3 A2 OLR + C/(C+1))3 A3 Su
= (C/(C+1)) OLR [ 1 + (C/(C+1)) A + (C/(C+1))2 A2 + (C/(C+1))3 A3 + …]
= (C/(C+1)) OLR/ [ 1 - (C/(C+1)) A]
= (C/(C+1)) OLR/ [ 1/(C+1) + (C/(C+1)) (1 – A)]
= (C/(C+1)) OLR/ [ 1/(C+1) + (C/(C+1)) TA]
= (C/(C+1)) OLR/ [ 1/(C+1) + (C/(C+1)) exp(-τA)]
= C OLR/ [ 1 + C exp(-τA)]
Now equate:
f = C /[ 1 + C exp(-τA)] = 2/(1 + τA + exp(-τA))
Let τA = 1.841 and solve for C and you get C = 1.968
And Su = C OLR/ [ 1 + C exp(-τA)] ≈ 3 OLR / 2
From which it is easy to derive:
Su – OLR + ED – EU = OLR and Su – (Fo + Po) = R

If instead you set C=2 and solve for τA you get τA = 2.06 and Su = 2 OLR/ [ 1 + 2 exp(-τA)] ≈ 1.59 OLR and a dead end

By: climategatestuff

climategatestuff — Fri, 12 Feb 2010 14:10:20 +0000

Astonishing if true. Will be interesting to see the mainstream AGW climate scientists address this – ie Gavin Schmidt, in detail.

Do you think they will?